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  • #46
    KV,
    Thanks! I'll gladly take your vote of confidence with the possibility of getting 80-85% of my original costs - and the shipping costs could be 'negotiated' in which I'd agree to pay half or deliver if close enough.....

    However, I can't say I I agree with your analysis regarding the popularity of 351c power. Ok, I'll agree there are not be as many folks at the track or at cruise night running Cleveland power as the 'popular' 351w-based or 385-series stuff, but the Clevelands do have a following, similar to the FE fans or even the y-block bunch..... Heck, I look at all Fords as a minority when at the track or cruise-in; cause when I look around - I see a sea of Chebbies, just as I always have.....but I like to call them "belly-button cars".
    Yeah, Clevelands will be expensive to build, but then I'd say ALL Fords cost more to build and race than Chebbies...so there we have it. Sure, less selection, less support by the aftermarket, but that has been pretty normal with Ford stuff, right? But you have to admit - it sure is fun getting a chance to spank on a few Chebbies with your only-four-years-of-production Clevelands, ay KV?

    If we want to talk about under-discussed, even less examples of at the track or cruise-ins, or near no aftermarket support... let's talk about the few brave souls out there still trying to build up Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac or Buick-based powerplants.....

    Ryan
    Last edited by Ryan Wilke; 01-12-2018, 07:46 PM.
    Quality means doing it right when no one is looking. - Henry Ford

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ryan Wilke View Post


      Rory,
      I really appreciate your input...... I have always admired your racing program.... I like that you're a stick guy.... that you still have your '74 F350 listed in your signature....thanks for the words of wisdom & experience. I like the idea of pulling the front hoops, and especially the part of it coming down easy like....which has been a concern of mine when I think about the BBF stuffed up front.
      (By the way, you mentioned you run a 5.13 gear in your Mustang with your 331,,, Dang! what rpm do you cross the stripe at?)




      Ryan



      Ryan, I thought that you were refering to my Fairmont, which has the 5.13s. My 85 Mustang either ran 9x29 Hoosiers, or 9x29 1/2" M/T slicks. Although I had ran 5.13s in the Mustangs 8.8 back when I raced it in Stock Eliminator at 107 MPH, with the 331, I ran 4.88s, which made for 7200 RPM thru the traps at 128 MPH. I also found that the 4.88s were much stronger than the 5.13s in the 8.8. I shredded 2 sets of 5.13s over 8 years , running low to mid 12s, with low 1.6 60 foots, with the 4.88s 3 years of running 10.3&4s, with a best 60 foot of 1.36, the gears still looked great.
      As for my 74 F350 ramp truck, I did sell it in 2014 after I bought my 1999 F350 Dually and enclosed trailer. But since I sold the truck to a local drag racer, I see the old truck almost every race weekend, since he hauls his 11 second Chevy S10 pickup with it.
      THis shot of the Mustang was in Stocker trim. With the 331 it launched much higher, but the only good shots were taken by track photographers, and I don`t know how to post them from my Facebook page. Same with the Fairmont with the 331, I have shots from track photogs with the rear bumper about 3" off the ground, but unable to post it here. The shot of the ramp truck with the Fairmont on its back is probably from 1990 or 91 when the Fairmont had a mild 428 & C6 in it. Other than I painted the trucks front fenders shortly after that shot (new factory Ford fenders in shipping primer), and painted the deck, the old truck still looks pretty much identical. Over the 26 years I had that truck, it got me and the cars ( 1 at a time of course!) to & from dragstrips all over BC Canada, Washington State, Oregon and California, and never let me down once. And other than a couple of exhaust systems, it never set foot into a shop for repairs, or got towed. The only reason I ever sold the truck was because years ago, I told a racing buddy from Oregon (a Ford Super Stock racer ) , if he ever decided to sell his 99 F350 Dually that he factory ordered new, I was interested. I got that call in late 2013.
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      Last edited by Rory McNeil; 01-13-2018, 02:01 AM.
      1978 Fairmont 428CJ 4 speed 9.972@132.54.mph[/ 1.29 60 foot.
      1985 Mustang NHRA Stock eliminator 302 4 speed M/S 12.31@106.99 mph, with 331 bracket engine: 10.29@128.71 1.37 50 foot
      1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan 332 FE auto (finally under construction witha 428CJ and 4 speed.)
      1974 F350 ramp truck 390 4 speed (gone buy not forgotten)
      2010 Ranger PU 2.3L 5 speed
      1999 F350 dually, V10 5 speed

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      • #48
        Rory,
        Thanks for your clarifications, sharing your performance data and the SWEET pictures!

        I don't know if I've ever seen a pic of the '74 F350 Dually before.... Too Cool! Did you build the ramp bed or have it custom built? Do you recall what the wheelbase length was? I'd guess the truck had a weight of probably about 6K# empty with a 10K# CGVW with car and gear? It looks like a sweet setup..... Cheers to you, Mr. McNeil!

        Ryan
        Quality means doing it right when no one is looking. - Henry Ford

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        • #49
          You are pretty close on the weights! As for the deck, I bought it used from a fellow racer, who had it built in 1980, for hauling his 70 Mach 1 G/SA car. When he sold the Mustang, he sold his truck without the deck, and I bought the deck from a guy he had sold it to. I was originally going to have my trucks frame streched 2 1/2 feet and have a custom made bare bones deck built, but this deck was available, and basically fit right onto my truck 161" wheelbase chassis, so I went with that. In addition to a large, lockable storage box on each side, the space between the deck on either side was a fully boxed in "cubby hole", so it had plenty of room for a couple of spare tires, a floor jack, jack stands etc.
          When I first bought the truck, it had originally had a dump box as it was a landscapers truck, which had been removed. With just bare frame rails behind the cab, the truck was just under 5000 pounds, the car hauler deck and ramps was another 1700 pounds, so by the time the 2 were mated, 6700 pounds empty. The trucks GVW was rated at 10,000 lbs, but with a car, tools, spare parts, fuel, water etc, it was usually between 10,300 & 10,500 lbs when on the road.Around 2008, I added a hitch reciever to the back, so I could haul a pit scooter on one of those motorcycle carriers that fit into the reciever. That added another 200 pounds. Even still, being over the max GVW, the 14 leaf springs per side only had the back of the truck drop about 1" , when fully loaded. In fact, there was still about 1" between the upper overload springs and their contact pads. By comparison, my 99 F350 sinks the rear by about 4"s, just from the tonque weight on my 24 foot enclosed trailer. The old truck was very basic , but easy to drive and dead nuts reliable. Plus it was a hell of a lot easier to back into my driveway, on a busy street, than the Dually/trailer combo is. It certainly served me well for 26 years.
          1978 Fairmont 428CJ 4 speed 9.972@132.54.mph[/ 1.29 60 foot.
          1985 Mustang NHRA Stock eliminator 302 4 speed M/S 12.31@106.99 mph, with 331 bracket engine: 10.29@128.71 1.37 50 foot
          1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan 332 FE auto (finally under construction witha 428CJ and 4 speed.)
          1974 F350 ramp truck 390 4 speed (gone buy not forgotten)
          2010 Ranger PU 2.3L 5 speed
          1999 F350 dually, V10 5 speed

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ryan Wilke View Post

            If we want to talk about under-discussed, even less examples of at the track or cruise-ins, or near no aftermarket support... let's talk about the few brave souls out there still trying to build up Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac or Buick-based powerplants.....

            Ryan
            My buddy just dyno'd a 500 plus inch Buick after the owner made a cam and intake porting changes He throws it on the pump every winter for him as they look for power during the cold time of year. He's got over 30k into the engine and it put out 735hp @ 6,600rpm . You could do that with a BBC for 10 grand all day long.
            1965 Poppy Red Three Peddle - Built Not Bought!
            347 Stock Block Pump Gas Street /Strip 10.44 @ 125.97

            2005 Torch Red Topless Three Peddle - 12 valve Monster
            244 Stock Block Pump Gas Street /Street Much Slower

            Current CI Count - 98

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            • #51
              That ramp truck is killer Rory! How'd you get the car on without hitting the headers?
              1965 Poppy Red Three Peddle - Built Not Bought!
              347 Stock Block Pump Gas Street /Strip 10.44 @ 125.97

              2005 Torch Red Topless Three Peddle - 12 valve Monster
              244 Stock Block Pump Gas Street /Street Much Slower

              Current CI Count - 98

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Poppy65 View Post
                That ramp truck is killer Rory! How'd you get the car on without hitting the headers?
                I would suspect Rory had longer-than-most approach ramps.....

                Ryan
                Quality means doing it right when no one is looking. - Henry Ford

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                • #53
                  Yeah, headers were never an issue. The ramps are 6 feet long, and combined with the angle of the trucks deck, there was really no "break over" angle to worry about. The ramps and deck were essentially at the same angle, so just straight up to the top.
                  1978 Fairmont 428CJ 4 speed 9.972@132.54.mph[/ 1.29 60 foot.
                  1985 Mustang NHRA Stock eliminator 302 4 speed M/S 12.31@106.99 mph, with 331 bracket engine: 10.29@128.71 1.37 50 foot
                  1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan 332 FE auto (finally under construction witha 428CJ and 4 speed.)
                  1974 F350 ramp truck 390 4 speed (gone buy not forgotten)
                  2010 Ranger PU 2.3L 5 speed
                  1999 F350 dually, V10 5 speed

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