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    I got pulled over today by the Sheriff of Boone County Kentucky!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXk231m_P-8

    That stretch of Route 237 in Hebron Kentucky was HIS! He was younger and slimmer than Kenny, but he had that cannon on his hip! Since I didn't give him no lip, and did other things he told me to do, he didn't get near that cannon, imagine that! I was only running a short distance and didn't have my load tarped, so I knew I was in a heap of trouble. The heap got bigger when I couldn't find, at his request, my reflective emergency triangles. Forgot to put them back in the last time I had everything out. The first thing he said when he walked up was, "you didn't have your seatbelt on", but I told him I did have my lap belt on, this 88 model truck didn't come equipped with shoulder belts. I just took my lap belt off to get out my drivers license for him. He bought it! Did a quick check of my lights, glanced at the tires, then spent about 10 minutes in his car checking me all out. My squeaky clean license and DOT record (and sad, innocent eyes, maybe) has gotten me out of tickets before, worked this time too! Got off with a written warning!

    He didn't have no Shivelay either, he had a Ford SUV. He only asked for my insurance proof and registration, probably didn't know much about all the apportioned / KYU / IFTA stuff. I was rooting through all that to find the registration, and "oh, here it is on top, no wonder I couldn't find it". He completely failed to see the humor. (note to self, no more cute little one-liners, they're obviously no benefit with this guy) But it ended up turning out way better than I thought.

    I was working with one other truck, a similar SUV got him too a few hours later, but that one was the DOT! 237 was covered today! They pulled him over empty (unlike me) but they found a few different things out of order with him. He got off easy too!

    Marc

    88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
    71 F-250 4x2
    88 F-150 4X2

  • #2
    Good for you Marc! All these so called inspections have gotten out of hand lately, seems like there is some LEO behind every bush and the biggest part of them have no idea of what they are looking out. A lot of them are kids just out of training trying to make a name for themselves. I'd much rather get the gray hair guy that has been around and has nothing to prove!
    ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
    -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
    -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
    " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

    "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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    • #3
      As long as you keep your "I's" dotted and your "T's" crossed, it's usually no problem, other than chewing into your 11 hour and 14 hour clocks! They still have that 11 driving and 14 full day clock rule, don't they? Not that I would ever expect any of youse guys to run/keep "two" log books!

      When driving for a company, with GPS and Qualcom, the two logs is pretty tough to get away with and in "Crazyfornia" they're known to give a speeding ticket for any log that shows more than 52 mph. With the 55 mph "truck" speed limit, the general excuse is that given hills, on/off ramps, traffic lights, etc, there is no way you can do more than 52 mph, over an 11 hour day, unless "at some time" you were going more than 55! Bottom line, be careful in the land of "Fruits & Nuts!"
      Keep On Truckin'
      Gene
      Last edited by horseballz; 08-01-2017, 12:46 PM.
      To quote my big brother: "Gettin' Old Ain't For Sissies"
      '68 coupe/5.0/T5
      '69 F250
      '56 Chebbie 3200 P/U
      '03 Miata (wife's ride)

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      • #4
        Oh yeah, that stupid 14 consecutive hours thing is still in place. That's my biggest gripe with the HOS, if they would do away with the consecutive part I wouldn't mind the elogs that are coming in. The maximum hours are fine with me, I seldom drive over 10 in a day anyway. I'm staying on paper until I HAVE to change, hopefully they will delay or do away with the elog requirement before the Dec 18 deadline. And yes, I do run two books, one to stay legal during the day, and one "corrected version" to turn in to the company. I run loose leafs, so it's easy to make it say what I need it to, company book is stapled together so I turn it in correct. Been doing it that way over 30 years, only time I had a problem was once I forgot to draw a line when I left a shipper. I don't run a Qualcomm or anything like that, so the only way of tracking my time is by my fuel receipt, I use a company fuel card, if I pay cash, they can't track it. If and when I have to go to the elog, I'll probably end up losing a load a week, just too restrictive. The waiting time is what will kill me, waiting to load and unload.
        ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
        -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
        -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
        " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

        "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ford84stepside View Post
          Good for you Marc! All these so called inspections have gotten out of hand lately, seems like there is some LEO behind every bush and the biggest part of them have no idea of what they are looking out. A lot of them are kids just out of training trying to make a name for themselves. I'd much rather get the gray hair guy that has been around and has nothing to prove!
          Both me, and the other driver, got "Driver/vehicle examination reports" (our copies, for a level 2 inspection) that are required to be signed and dated and mailed back in, certifying that the "violations" have been corrected. I'm sure the main idea is to show police activity to the big shots.

          When I started in dump trucks 20 years ago, it seemed like we were getting pulled over left and right - it's slacked way off for us in this area today. This is my first stop in 3 1/2 years. There could be politics involved, it looks to me like there's a shortage of us right now, maybe that's part of the reason they're largely leaving us alone. I love it, but this stop reminded me that I still have to be careful.
          Marc

          88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
          71 F-250 4x2
          88 F-150 4X2

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          • #6
            Originally posted by horseballz View Post
            As long as you keep your "I's" dotted and your "T's" crossed, it's usually no problem, other than chewing into your 11 hour and 14 hour clocks! They still have that 11 driving and 14 full day clock rule, don't they? Not that I would ever expect any of youse guys to run/keep "two" log books!
            Thankfully, that's not an issue for us local haulers, at least not in this area. I don't know the exact rule for how far one has to travel to be required to keep a log book, but we don't seem to come close. Some of the younger cowboys take some advantage of that - this time of year there's a good bit of night (interstate) work going on, and there are those who will do some double and even triple shifts, but most are pretty good at knowing their limits. If a major, national-news-making wreck happens that could be blamed on an overworked driver, I suppose the rules could change.
            Marc

            88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
            71 F-250 4x2
            88 F-150 4X2

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            • #7
              In the short time I drove for a local courier back in 97, I was told to keep a log book when I took a multi-state, overnight trip in a 3/4 ton cargo van. So a vehicle doesn't have to be big for the log book requirement apparently.
              Marc

              88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
              71 F-250 4x2
              88 F-150 4X2

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              • #8
                From something I've read, the log book came about from the Teamsters union wanting something to make sure their drivers were getting paid for all their time. It has morphed into another method of Govt control over private citizens​. When I was logging we never ran books. As long as you stayed in a 100 mile radius of home they seldom said anything. Now with the elogs they want to know everything, speed,rpm, GPS location, time, probably the last time you went to the bathroom. Your 88 model is exempt anyway, I think 99 is the first year they will be required on. Lots of guys are dragging older trucks out of the pasture and redoing them just so they won't have to use a elog. Sadly my company won't take a truck over 10 years old, so I'm stuck with having to eventually run one.

                I could go on for days talking about those so called safety inspections. Nothing safe about them when they chase down a truck, pull it over on the shoulder of a busy road, all just to look and nitpick over their paperwork. It's more to create paperwork to make it look as though they are doing something so they can get more Govt funds to spend.
                ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
                -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
                -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
                " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

                "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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                • #9
                  I'll have to ask some of my fellow drivers with much newer trucks if they have to do that.

                  I'm hoping the rules will stay pretty much as they are for a long time with no surprises, considering the way national elections have been going. Fingers crossed!
                  Marc

                  88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
                  71 F-250 4x2
                  88 F-150 4X2

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                  • #10
                    What a boring job for a LEO. I could never have been some type of cop who rides up and down highways, looking for speeders or trucks with no tarp !! I loved being a cop in a big city. Everyday was different, and you were never bored.
                    And there is NO BETTER feeling that putting the cuffs on some dirtbag who just beat up some old lady, taking her purse, or some armed hold-up man, who just robbed a convenience store and shot the clerk.
                    Sure, there were some bad days, but truthfully, I realized what a lucky guy I was, because I loved my job, and COULD NOT WAIT to get to work.

                    I'm glad that LEO cut you a break Marc. When a job like yours or Bobby's depends 100% on having a valid driver's license with a clean record, the last thing you guys need are citations that could effect your license you depend on to live.
                    Eddie "D"
                    '70 Sports Roof, 351 W, 13.1 @ 107: Maple Grove.
                    "The deadliest weapon in the world is a U.S. Marine and his rifle." Quote by General John J. Pershing U.S. Army.
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                    • #11
                      Eddie, you know I respect and uphold most LEOs, but the "diesel cops" or DOT I don't have a lot of good feelings for the. I know ee have to have something to keep us in line or some would do as they pleased and run us and the equipment into the ground, but it has gotten plum stupid. The older gray headed officers will tell you its a lot of BS they make them do now. They are the ones I do respect for the most part, they are doing their job and most are fair. These young guns though, they look for small things like a misdrawn line in a log book or a light bulb out just so they can write something up. They are the cocky ones who probably hate their jobs and take it out on us. Not all, but a lot of them.

                      Everybody tries to get by the best they can, sometimes things get missed. I'd much rather be told about a problem and told to get it fixed than shut down and told not to move until its fixed. Ive actually been shut down over a light out...in the daytime! Had to replace it right there!
                      ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
                      -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
                      -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
                      " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

                      "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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                      • #12
                        Time to bump an old thread! I got a call earlier this week from my truck insurance man, he's an independent agent, does my dump truck and home insurance. My truck's insurance is due for it's yearly renewal on June the 12h, but he said he just got the notification from Progressive, (yes I hate it that I have to use them, but they're the cheapest and easiest to get) that my cost this year would be $9000, instead of the $4000 I paid last year! He said he didn't understand why, but that he had another company in mind, and I needed to come in to sign some papers - this different company would only need $3500 per year. Got that done one morning, and that afternoon the agent called and said I was rejected by that company - too much OOS (out-of-service) on my FMCSA (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) records. Also said it was on my mcs-150 record that I haul garbage, and they can't insure that. I told the agent I sometimes (rarely) haul demolition, but I can refuse demolition jobs if I have to. I told him I would definitely remove the "garbage, refuse, and trash" designation from my mcs-150, and then start down the long road of finding out why the %&*# I'm shown as "too much out-of-service", since I've NEVER been placed out of service.

                        Didn't take too long, some internet searching showed an "SMS" (safety management system") report on me showing one roadside inspection, the only one I've had in a few years now, the one by this county sheriff. Showed as having the one inspection, called it an OOS, and brilliantly deducted that I was 100% out of service. My insurance man had emailed my a copy of the second insurance company's refusal to insure me. It showed a national OOS average of 18.24%, and therefore brilliantly deducted that I had a 81.76% overage.

                        I've known my insurance man for many years now, a really good guy, but couldn't resist telling him that STUPIDNESS was coming from multiple sources here, one was the FMCSA, and the other was the insurance company he represents. But forget about insurance now, I figure I can't get insurance from anyone until this SMS is dealt with. I printed off the 3 pages of it, that appears to be all of it. The second page shows a listing of my violations that I described in this thread's opening post, load not tarped, and missing triangle reflectors. This report described the non-tarp as "leaking, spilling, blowing, falling cargo". And "insufficient warning devices". And even though I was given no citation, and permitted to drive away and continue on the job, this report shows a "severity" of "7" (whatever that means) and says OOS beside it. I think the terminology in the tarp law uses the terms "leaking, spilling,blowing, falling cargo" as something the tarp is intended to prevent, not something my truck was doing, Nothing was falling from my truck! But this report implies that it was. I honestly don't think this "sheriff" policeman intended to make a mess of this, he just wasn't familiar enough with truck enforcement and paperwork to understand the mess he made.

                        So there's a method of contesting/ disputing info on a SMS report, I filled that out and submitted it online. It went to the FMCSA's national headquarters, not Frankfort Ky. It stated that it would be reviewed, and I would be told about that in the future, who knows when. Next day I got off work early, so I took my copy of the sms to the Boone county sheriff's office, not knowing what I'd find. If this officer was there, I was hoping I could refresh his memory, (it's been 9 months) and see if he'd help me straighten this out. He wasn't there naturally, but another higher ranking sheriff was, and I explained this to him. He told me I'd have to contest it online, and I told him I did, - last night. He said it would take about 2 weeks, but when his office got the info that he'd know it, because this stuff goes through him - that's one of his duties there. I got his name.

                        My insurance man told me he'd submit my insurance needs to yet another company, and explain to them my dispute with the FMCSA. As of now I haven't heard anything on that. Friday I got a phone call from somebody in Ky. DOT. A reasonable sounding guy, and we discussed the whole situation in a ~somewhat~ friendly way, though he didn't seem too agreeable with me that maybe vehicle enforcement should be left to vehicle enforcement specialists rather than sheriff police and city police, since they just might not know enough about it. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, if I get somebody in Frankfort even slightly mad at me, they can easily destroy my livelihood. But as I get older, I tend to get more brave. He said he personally knew the sheriff guy that did this report, and that makes me nervous, I'm afraid there's a chance they might try to do some kind of " compromise" with me that lessens an incrimination of his buddy. I'll give a little, but not enough to cause me higher insurance rates. I also got his name. Getting names isn't always easy when dealing with government. Most trucking correspondence I get from Frankfort comes in letter form, yet with no name.

                        He told me a "board" of people would have to review this, and I'd have an answer next week. Don't know any lawyers and haven't talked to any yet, but if the board doesn't get this right, I'm sure going to spring for one. Those were 2 very minor violations that I was stopped for. I have an exceptional safety record with my truck over 18 years. One sheriff's bumbling isn't going to destroy it without a fight.

                        Momma's don't let your babies grow up to be commercial truck owners!

                        I'll update next week, thanks for reading my rant!
                        Marc

                        88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
                        71 F-250 4x2
                        88 F-150 4X2

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                        • #13
                          Wow, I just read your entire post. The government bureaucracy over you guys is incredible.
                          I drive a 6 mile stretch of road to and from work, 4 times a day, (morning, lunch, then home for day).
                          Theres a black Chevy Tahoe with the DARKEST tinted windows with trucks pulled over EVERY SINGLE DAY!
                          I see him sitting on the side of the road, on ramps, or off ramps just waiting for his next victims.
                          Im guessing this stretch of road must be a pretty big revenue producer to keep this DOT guy on this same stretch of road day in and day out.
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                          • #14
                            Dang Marc, I feel for you buddy. You have fallen into their trap, the over complicated,discriminatory SMS system. The only way to have a good score is to never be inspected or be 100% perfect at all times, neither of which is going to happen. And once you get a high score in any of their categories, the only ways to bring it down are wait until it falls off the record in 3-5 years, or get a bunch of passing inspections to offset it. It's really a flawed system, flawed in their favor, you have recourse against them, but as you are finding out, it may be heard and it may not be. It's weighted heavily toward the larger fleets, the more trucks you have on the road, the more possible inspections, but the total is diluted due to the large number of trucks, so an inspection counts more against a single truck operator than a company with 1500 trucks. So a big company like Swift or JB Hunt with all their wrecks gets a satisfactory rating and the little one or two truck guy gets shut down! You know what they say, you can't fight city hall, it's pretty much true, when you go against the FMCSA and the State DOT, you are fighting an uphill battle all the way, these self serving folks will barely give you a listen, and most times will ignore you, especially when you point out how stupid their practices are. That's one advantage I have in being leased to a carrier with over 400 trucks instead of running under my own authority, I get sorta lost in the numbers.

                            I've voiced my opinions many times on those roadside "inspections". Most of the time it's simply a numbers game, the officers have a quota of how many inspections they have to do in a day, and they pick and choose who they pull over, some with reason, some just because they can. It's the latter bunch that irks me, they have the authority and abuse it just because they can. They're like a bunch of vultures swooping down on a dead carcass. How do they get away with the limo dark tinted windows that they write tickets for to everybody else, then get out of their vehicle looking like a jack booted storm trooper with a canon on their hip and claim it's all about safety? It's more like imtidation, they are going to enforce their laws on you, not persuade you to do different. Hey, we're simply guys out here trying to make a living, not murderers, rapists, bank robbers or criminals! If I'm in the wrong, so be it, tell me, write a ticket if need be, but don't try to make me believe you are better than me and that I'm a lower class citizen simply because of my choice of a job! Go find another revenue stream for your city, county, or state. We truckers are tapped out!

                            These new elogs were supposed to be the end all for hours of service violations. Since these things are so accurate and can't be cheated, they {DOT} have moved on to other ways of harassment, now they are fining drivers for not having the paperwork that explains how to operate the elog! They are so tight they are searching the elogs to see if they can find any small violation, if the stupid thing malfunctions there is a certain procedure and time limit to get it corrected, even if you don't know or notice that it malfunctioned, it's on you to keep the stupid thing perfect. My stress level is up over 100% more now than it has ever been trying to keep in compliance with their stupid laws. So far I am averaging missing one load every three weeks or so do to the stupid thing. In my 33 years of driving, I've always been at my customers first thing in the morning with very few exceptions, now, I get there when the stupid box says I can get there, first thing, mid morning, lunch, whenever. Gone are the days of ordering something and having it first thing next morning, you might get it the next day, it might be two or three days down the road. I'm seeing more and more drivers saying fu** it and getting out of the industry. Companies are buying more trucks and trailers to compensate, but can't find drivers. No one wants to be a pawn anymore. I'm thankful I've only got three years and maybe I can retire and do this part time, if at all.
                            ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
                            -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
                            -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
                            " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

                            "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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                            • #15
                              Thanks a million Bobby, that's some good information, you're clearly more experienced with this type of thing that I am. (don't worry, I won't personally identify you if I quote you haha) The tarp situation is a strange one, when I started driving as a driver for another guy back in 1997, the ONLY reason tarps were used was to keep hot loads of blacktop as warm as possible until they made it to their destination. There might have been tarp laws on the books at that time, but were not being enforced at all. I can understand why the laws were passed, really dry, dusty loads of dirt can really put up a dust cloud when going down the highway at speed, and a tarp can help keep that down. Same with demolition, light pieces of wood and insulation can blow off pretty easily, and a tarp can help a lot. But for normal loads of moist dirt, big broken up chunks of concrete, they're nothing but show, they do nothing at all to keep rocks or dirt close the bedside from falling off. There's no criteria for how much of the load the tarp has to cover, as long as it's somewhat on there. Most all dump truck tarps are 'no touch' - 2 spring loaded arms on the truck sides automatically pull the tarp off it's roll at the front of the truck, an electric motor, similar to a starter motor, controls it in either direction. They are the most high maintenance item on the truck, they have to be light duty, so they can lift easily and go over the load. The tarps tear and shred, largely from being put over broken up concrete with re-bar sticking out of it. One slip of a trackhoe operator's finger can demolish one of the side arms or springs. That happened to me once last year, the guy was tearing out a subdivision street, and he was pulling up a piece of concrete about a foot wide and 4 feet long, and it rocked over and tore off the tarp spring and bent up the arm. He was very apologetic - I told him I'd fix it. I didn't want to get him in trouble with his boss. But I had to run the rest of the day without a tarp, that's been the reason more than once that I've run without it, something was broken on it. Another time years ago, when I was driving the Mack, the tarp motor had quit working. I was running without it, and got stopped by the KYDOT. A woman, and she was HOT too! And friendly, but I got a ticket for it. Then came the hard part -she said the truck can't be moved with the load un-tarped. I told her I didn't have any tools, those motors don't free spool anyway. She immediately turned a deaf ear, "I don't care, call somebody, but don't move this truck without the load tarped". Then she went on down the road. I was afraid she'd go down there and hide, and wait to see if I would drive away without doing anything. If i'd have been caught then, she could probably have the truck towed. I didn't have much in the way of tools, but I did have a BFH! The tarp motor was no good anyway, I climbed up there and beat that thing into a million pieces, until I broke the worm gear out of it to release the roller arm, then let the springs pull the tarp over the load. I made sure to leave the pile of tarp motor pieces alongside the road for her. Then of course I went to the dumpsite and had to sign out for the day - no way to untarp it until I took it home and put on a new motor.

                              Just this past Thursday, during the time all this SMS stuff has been going on, I got my windshield broken by a passing tractor and dump trailer. A rock I think, about 2 or 3 inches in diameter. Can't blame anybody, it's just bad luck. The guy probably didn't even know it happened, for all I know, my truck might have done that to somebody in the past without me knowing it. Everybody's just gotta try to be careful and do the best they can. A new windshield came pretty easily, a one-day wait, and $240. I'm really glad to have a new one, that 30 year old one was hard to see through when the sun was low, lots of little microscopic pitts.

                              20180412_193943.jpg Yes, it's been a challenging week!

                              Marc

                              88 L-9000 tri-axle dump
                              71 F-250 4x2
                              88 F-150 4X2

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