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    The History Channel's Three part documentary "The Cars That Made America" ??
    Wow ... I thought it was GREAT. So much I didn't know about the so called "Big Three" ........ The Dodge Brothers working for Henry Ford. Walter Chrysler helping GM get out of (Another) bankruptcy. Chevrolet actually being named after somebody. ... Louis Chevrolet, a SWISS Auto Racer. (Does this make Chevy a 'foreign' car ?.
    How the pioneers of this industry (and every other early beginning industry in this nation) were ruthless, ego-maniacal, deceitful sharks .... yet geniuses !!

    And amazingly, the alter in which we here worship >>> Henry Ford was a no good S.O.B., a psychologically abusive father to his ONLY son Edsel. Hiring as his #2 man and 'enforcer' Harry Bennett, an ex bare knuckle boxer, who shot and killed at least one Ford employee (without prosecution) during a strike, when the Ford employees were demanding unionizing, and Henry Ford would NOT give in. Unlike GM & Chrysler who accepted the UAW. Bennett also bullied and harassed Edsel. The series portrayed Edsel as a soft spoken, almost timid young man. Constantly put down by his father. Yet Edsel was the one with the mind for new and modern design for the Ford Autos. Trying to convince his father that "Yes, the Model T out sold every other car combined." But it was now outdated, and far behind in style, looks and technology, than the new GM & Chrysler products being introduced. Tragically Edsel dying at a young age, (in his 40's) from stomach cancer
    How Henry fraudulently lowered the price of Ford Stock by announcing his "retirement" and naming a young Edsel as President & CEO. A a falsehood and a ploy, as Ford stock dropped tremendously, and Henry then bought out the Dodge Brothers (still working for Ford) who the paranoid Henry wanted OUT, for pennies on the dollar, as well as buying all remaining stock from panicked sellers who lost large sums of money.

    I had read before that Henry was kind of a screw ball who spied on his employees. (Even just the blue collar assembly line guys)... I've also read that he was VERY Anti-Semitic and required his workers to have a bible in their homes ...

    This is MUST SEE TELEVISION, for anyone interested in the automobile, its history, its main 'players', and who want to see how the 'kings of industry' walked over and ruined a lot of people, on their way to the top and to success.

    If you haven't seen it .... Please watch it. If you don't have "The History Channel", invite yourself over your brother', a friend's, a neighbor's, a stranger's , or anyone's house, of those who do. Get some pop corn, sit back, put your feet up and enjoy !!

    BTW >>> The History Channel wasn't just picking on the 'Car Guys'. A while back they had a several episode series on other industry tycoons titled "The Men Who Built America," like John D Rockefeller (oil), J.P. Morgan (banking), Nikola Tesla (Electricity), Andrew Carnegie (Steel), Cornelius Vanderbilt (Railroads) .. and much more
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  • #2
    No but I want to see Ken Burns Vietnam documentary, I bet that will be fantastic.
    Ron

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    • #3
      I watched it.Thought it was well done.
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      • #4
        I recorded it on my DVR, I have not watched it yet. The men who built America series was awesome, I have watched it several times.
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        • #5
          Tons of errors, though. Pam had to listen to me pointing them out. For example a '55 Chevy was portrayed by a Mercury. Huh? How hard is a '55 Chevy to find. Henry was a hard man, for sure, and didn't realize how badly he had treated his son until it was too late. Lots of aspects were glossed over and lacked a ton of context. One example, he did show anti-semetic tendencies, but it was common in his era to equate Jews with bankers because in those times bankers were often Jewish and Henry despised bankers most of all, he considered bankers and investors parasites who unjustly profited from the sweat of workers and businessmen. Many of Henry's friends were Jewish and the man he hired to design many of his plants was Jewish. If Henry hadn't come along, an automobile today would probably be the same status as a yacht, all other auto manufacturers had zero interest in mass production of cars for the common man, they didn't believe there was a market for it and most people were too ignorant to operate vehicles on their own. Henry also ushered in 8 hour/day 40 hour workweek and increased the pay of workers with the intention to have them live more healthy, stable, moral lives, although he went overboard with his 'society department' and other things he did. He also pioneered the employment of blacks, women, disabled people and veterans and he paid them equally, a radical concept for the time which called many to label him a crackpot. They also didn't mention he pioneered mass healthcare and worker's comp, and commercial aviation, charcoal briquettes (heard of KingsFord briquettes?) and many other things we take for granted.

          Some of the authors of his many biographers quoted in the show must have been horrified when they saw the finished special. I strongly recommend reading the biographies, especially the one done by Lacey, I think it is called 'Ford: the man and the machine'
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere View Post

            Some of the authors of his many biographers quoted in the show must have been horrified when they saw the finished special. I strongly recommend reading the biographies, especially the one done by Lacey, I think it is called 'Ford: the man and the machine'
            I agree Steve. Lots of what the heck moments in there. Seems nobody gets everything right. I have the book you refer to. Extremely well written and worth a read.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Stangfan View Post

              I agree Steve. Lots of what the heck moments in there. Seems nobody gets everything right. I have the book you refer to. Extremely well written and worth a read.
              Being the cheap guy I am I originally read it after checking it from our library, and count one of the best days of my life as when I spotted a copy for $2 bucks from a Goodwill store. I still like to pull it out and reread it every five years or so.
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              • #8
                I'll have to look for it. I enjoy those kinds of shows.
                The "Men who built America" series was really good, at least I thought so. Those guys did more for the country than most folks realize, but they were ruthless beyond ruthless.
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                • #9
                  Well I knew I'd get some "Blow Back" on Henry Ford's (portrayed) bio in this documentary. I knew there were probably inaccuracies about a few things, but I'll just mention two things that either were not mentioned by members, or kind of glossed over.

                  Henry's successful attempt to lower the share price of Ford stock, in my opinion was equivalent to theft. A Multi Millionaire acquiring stock from panicked individuals, with a fraudulent change in the Ford Corporation Presidency, I would think with today's Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC) would lead to an indictment.
                  But even if it wouldn't, worse than that, think of the people who may have had much of their life savings invested in FoMoCo, based on its great early success with the Model "T", and subsequently lost most of their money.

                  As far as his Anti-Semiticism, take a look at the books he wrote ..................
                  The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem-Abridged Edition Paperback Abridged, August 10, 2011

                  https://www.amazon.com/International.../dp/1614271321

                  The International Jew is a book written by Henry Ford, who authored books and articles which make claims about Jews. Readers will be able to make their own judgements of this work, as some find it to be accurate while most have historically found Henry Ford's writings to be filled with innacuracies and bigotry. This book is presented here for educational purposes and for those who are interested in reading a book written by important American businessman Henry Ford.

                  OR HERE:

                  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

                  Sure he was a genius. Sure he put all of America behind the wheel, with his Model T, which was affordable for the masses. Sure, we all here love the Ford automobile.
                  But history cannot be denied..... In my opinion, Henry Ford was a devious prick. A lousy abusive father, and most likely a bigot.

                  Did he also do a lot of good ? Of course. But I didn't work for him back then, and I don't know anyone who did.
                  Like many moguls of industry, especially as the "Industrialization" of this country took off, as I mentioned above,..........."most...
                  • were ruthless, ego-maniacal, deceitful sharks .... yet geniuses !!"
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                  • #10
                    I didn't mean to rain on your thread, just trying to put things in perspective. It gets complicated holding people raised in late 1800 culture to modern views. He had many sins, for sure, but what was his absolute value to the world even today?
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                    • #11
                      Steve .......... come on L'il bro. You didn't rain on my 'parade' (thread).. When I was watching the episodes, believe me, I started wondering if the whole thing was written by some "Occupy Wall Street" socialist Communist.
                      And I know that so called Biographies can be slanted by the opinions of the writer regarding his subject. Kind of like Hillary Clinton writing a book/biography on Donald Trump.
                      And I certainly knew that you especially, out of our group here, would know about Henry Ford, more than most and way, way more than me.
                      I just knew he was kind of weird. Now what I know of him was from this documentary, and from some facts you wrote.
                      I just wanted to reiterate what might have been 'undeniable' facts, like his stock manipulation and mistrust and/or dislike of so called Jewish Bankers, which may have bordered on Anti-Semitism .... but then I certainly don't know what was in his head regarding the Jewish population.

                      I learn a lot here. Just about everyday. And if anything I write must be corrected, then I learn from that ...

                      NO HARM NO FOUL STEVE ...!!!!
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                      • #12
                        I don't get to see stuff like this much unless it's repeated on a Sat or Sun. The guys over on the HAMB were giving all the inaccuracies hell, some guy sitting on a bench with a 4 barrel carb laying on a table sometime in the early 1900's, the Merc being shown for a 55 Chevy, simple, stupid stuff almost any car guy would know was wrong. After reading those guys pick it apart, I don't know if it'd be worth my time to watch it!
                        Maybe they'll put it on sometime this winter when it's too cold to get out and do anything and I can catch it. That is, if the TV isn't set to cartoons for the GS!!!!!!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 70 Pony View Post
                          Steve .......... come on L'il bro. You didn't rain on my 'parade' (thread).. When I was watching the episodes, believe me, I started wondering if the whole thing was written by some "Occupy Wall Street" socialist Communist.
                          And I know that so called Biographies can be slanted by the opinions of the writer regarding his subject. Kind of like Hillary Clinton writing a book/biography on Donald Trump.
                          And I certainly knew that you especially, out of our group here, would know about Henry Ford, more than most and way, way more than me.
                          I just knew he was kind of weird. Now what I know of him was from this documentary, and from some facts you wrote.
                          I just wanted to reiterate what might have been 'undeniable' facts, like his stock manipulation and mistrust and/or dislike of so called Jewish Bankers, which may have bordered on Anti-Semitism .... but then I certainly don't know what was in his head regarding the Jewish population.

                          I learn a lot here. Just about everyday. And if anything I write must be corrected, then I learn from that ...

                          NO HARM NO FOUL STEVE ...!!!!
                          Good, I didn't want to piss off my big brother and get a knuckle sandwich.

                          He definitely was a arrogant, very opinionated man and he always knew full well how influential he was and he didn't just have a big ego, he was world record conceited, I think. But given the many ways he changed the world, it's kind of difficult to argue how influential he was. Bill Gates opened the world to communication, but Ford actually created the middle class and opened their world for them. Before he came along, very few people ventured more than 10 miles or so from their homes, unless they were very rich or got sucked into some war.

                          You know, in Lacey's biography of him he ended it with how Ford died, and I think it was so ironic I was amazed that they didn't mention it in the show. After his son Edsel died, he became haunted with guilt after realizing how badly he had treated him, saying that he never realized how Edsel felt and he felt he had caused his death. He maintained that he was only trying to 'toughen him up and prepare him for the hard task of taking on this huge international company.' He sunk into depression and his mental health and physical health declined and on the night he died there was a terrible storm that caused flooding and power outages and even though his Fairlane estate had probably the most sophisticated and overengineered powerplant in the world on his property, it failed and the richest, and at the time probably the most inventive and mechanically genius man in his time died in his bed in a unheated house with a candle providing the light. I was shocked there wasn't any mention of that.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ford84stepside View Post
                            I don't get to see stuff like this much unless it's repeated on a Sat or Sun. The guys over on the HAMB were giving all the inaccuracies hell, some guy sitting on a bench with a 4 barrel carb laying on a table sometime in the early 1900's, the Merc being shown for a 55 Chevy, simple, stupid stuff almost any car guy would know was wrong. After reading those guys pick it apart, I don't know if it'd be worth my time to watch it!
                            Maybe they'll put it on sometime this winter when it's too cold to get out and do anything and I can catch it. That is, if the TV isn't set to cartoons for the GS!!!!!!
                            I was going to ask if anyone noticed these screw-ups as a hot rod friend watched it & complained about the inaccuracies to me. he also stated the show was really hard
                            on Henry Ford.
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