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  • Tomorrow , 76 years later .....

    The beginning, of what was to be, the total mobilization of American industry, men and women, all with one purpose, to defeat Japanese imperialism and Nazi Germany fascism.
    Here is the EARLY edition of the Sunday Philadelphia Inquirer from December 7th, 1941.
    Note the headline, as Japanese diplomats were talking peace, while their military under Hideki Tojo and Isoroku Yamamoto had planned and were attacking the U.S. Fleet at Pearl Harbor.
    The date in this photo is very small but it is December 7, 1941. Also note how the Russian army has finally starting to get the 'upper hand' in the VERY bloody war on the Eastern Front,,,,
    Hitler in his stupidity declares war on the U.S. a day or two later,
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    while yamamoto did plan, and carry out, the attack on pearl harbor, he was opposed to that course of action. he even warned the japanese high command that it would be suicide to involve the US in the war. in fact yamamoto said that japan would have to defeat the US within six months, or japan would in the end lose the war, and of course he was right.

    as for hitler, the us would have gotten into the war against germany fairly soon anyway. hitler would have declared unrestricted submarine warfare against all shipping not flying the nazi flag, and some overly aggressive sub commander would have sank US flagged shipping in US territorial waters, and then it would have been on anyway, germany might have had a few more months at best, and i doubt that it would have been enough to turn the war into germanys favor.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by rbohm View Post
      while yamamoto did plan, and carry out, the attack on pearl harbor, he was opposed to that course of action. he even warned the japanese high command that it would be suicide to involve the US in the war. in fact yamamoto said that japan would have to defeat the US within six months, or japan would in the end lose the war, and of course he was right.

      as for hitler, the us would have gotten into the war against germany fairly soon anyway. hitler would have declared unrestricted submarine warfare against all shipping not flying the nazi flag, and some overly aggressive sub commander would have sank US flagged shipping in US territorial waters, and then it would have been on anyway, germany might have had a few more months at best, and i doubt that it would have been enough to turn the war into germanys favor.
      You know history very well RBOHM. Yamamoto said after the attack on Pearl, something like, "I am afraid we have awoken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve !"

      As far as Germany, they had signed the "Tripartite Pact" with Japan and Italy. It stated if one of these countries went to war, they all would follow.. Hitler was probably the best weapon the Allies had.
      He should never have invaded Russia, while at war with France and England. He never released his Panzer Divisions on D-Day, June 6, 1944, thinking Normandy was a diversion, and that the real invasion by the allies, would be at the Pas d' Calais.
      He made several more mistakes. Especially on the Eastern Front, like not allowing his armies to retreat when the massive Russian Army had out flanked them, and was about to surround them ....

      FDR wanted to get into the European War. Churchill was almost begging him. But there were many "Isolationist" thinking people, both in politics and everyday citizens, here in the U.S.A., who did NOT want to get involved in another war in Europe. The Japanese made it easy for FDR to go to war with them, and Hitler, abiding by the "Tripartite Pact", made it possible for us to go to war in Europe.

      If anyone 'googles' World War II casualties, both military & civilian, the numbers are astonishing. Especially for the Soviet Union.

      I was wondering what all of you guys who read this think, if the US went to a non-nuclear WORLD WAR, would the US mobilize like we did in 1941. And would the recruiting stations for our military services, have long lines of young male volunteers, "chomping at the bit", to enlist and fight for the USA ... ... like they did, after that "Day that will live in infamy !"
      Eddie "D"
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      • #4
        I think any future wars will require drones and probably nuclear weapons, because collectively the USA doesn’t have the testosterone level it used to have to build a solid fighting force. I probably know twenty or thirty young men of fighting age, thirty years old or younger, and out of those I would say only three of them are what I would consider mentally, physically, and emotionally capable of going to war.
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        • #5
          I gotta agree with Steve. I've watched the High School seniors since my boys were in school, there might be one or two in every class that enlisted. Kids today have been coddled so much that they don't want to have anything to do with the military, and for sure don't want to fight for anything other than the newest I phone or game console. Most of them won't even fight for a female!

          When you have a generation that won't fight, won't stand up for anything, won't even try to hold a job, especially if it involves manual labor, you are in trouble.
          If North Korea fired a missile into downtown LA, it would be on the 24 hour news cycle for about a day, then most people would lose interest. Sadly, there is no pride in our country anymore. People have been so brainwashed with the liberal touchy feely garbage that everything and everybody is good at heart, they are blinded to the very dangers we now face, much like the isolationists in FDR's time. THERE IS PURE EVIL IN THE WORLD!!!! All the "ism's", Liberalism, communism, Islamism, socialism, all share a common goal, To rid YOU of your freedom, even if they have to kill you to do it!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere View Post
            I probably know twenty or thirty young men of fighting age, thirty years old or younger, and out of those I would say only three of them are what I would consider mentally, physically, and emotionally capable of going to war.
            I've got a couple of 20 something children (24 and 25). My son has been in and out of trouble since he was 14-15, (and is currently in jail....again). My daughter is on the straight and narrow, goes to college/pursuing a degree, works full time, and lives on her own.
            7-8 years ago, BEFORE my son got himself into soooo much trouble and permanently ruined any chance to go into the military, I had a few conversations with him regarding how the military can provide technical training, security, how the military was good to me (and our family), and of course, the patriotic aspects of the military. The military is a give and take. You give them 4, 6, 8, 10 or more years of YOUR life....and the military gives you what I mentioned above, in return.
            I essentially had the same conversations with my daughter, only on a slightly different level because being a female, AND, my daughter, and seeing first hand plenty of situations regarding women in the military (Navy, Navy reserve and Air Force reserve), I approached her with what I felt were great options for military service.

            Neither one was even the least bit interested.

            Not sure if their view of the military....growing up as military "brats".... caused them to be anti military, or I just didn't teach them right, but I can relate to what a few of you have said above. Am I disappointed? A little....but....I understand that they must choose their own paths in life. What's disappointing is reading some of the above posts and wondering how the current younger generations are going to protect this country long after we're gone. All we can do is hope that there will be enough to step up and do the job.....for their sakes, their children's sakes, and their grandchildren's sakes.
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            • #7
              I tell young guys, if you want to learn and get an education, go in the Air Force. If you want to see the world, go in the Navy. If you want to play G. I. Joe, and maybe play "Call of Duty" for REAL, go in the Army. If you need to prove something to yourself, and push yourself to the limits, go in the Marine Corps.

              Of course now all four branches have an opportunity for on the ground combat. The Regular Army has the Rangers, Airborne, Green Berets (Great hard nosed troops will test you to the limits) Navy Seals (Great Troops, will definitely test your limits ) and the Air Force has their own Special Forces I think they are called "Para Rescue", but Craig would know.
              All the Special Forces of all four branches will test a young man's limits.

              Nothing personal but I think the Seals seek too much publicity. I'm betting the Army's Green Berets don't like getting knocked off as #1 Special Forces outfit.
              And the real Super... Special Forces guys, who we NEVER hear about, yet really do the clandestine dangerous stuff is "DELTA FORCE", a super secret unit of the Army's Special Forces. No one knows what these guys are up to, I just give great thanks to them and all the military personnel out there today, keeping us safe.

              SEMPER FI !!!
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              • #8
                70, i studied world war two when i was in high school years ago, one of my favorite books to read was samuel eliot morrisons "two ocean war". lots of good information in that book, but it didnt have a great amount of detail. the problem is that it would have been a much larger book if it did.

                a friend of mine is also a world war two buff, and we realized that world war two used just about every type of weapon ever conceived of in the history of man. every thing from bows and arrows to nuclear weapons, smart bombs, chemical and bio weapons, muzzle loading black powder weapons to gatling guns, and even air to air and air to ground missiles. an interesting time in history to be sure.

                as for the military today, and the current military age generation, i think a lot of us are underestimating these kids. true most of them dont want to go into the military, but then again they dont have any impetus to join up either. i think we are in a similar situation, manpower wise, that we were in before world war one and world war two. we had a number of years of no real war, and no real need to have a large military, so we didnt have one. but when those wars broke out, and there was a real threat against the US, that all changed, and military aged men signed up in droves.

                i think if north korea launched a missile against the US, you would find a sudden wave of patriotism we havent had since 9/11, and military ranks would swell up.

                as for the list of special forces units, the one just about everyone seems to overlook is marine force recon. and yes the air force special forces are para rescue. and when you consider the special forces of the world, russian spetnaz, british SAS, israeli commandos, french foreign legion, among others, the US certainly has some of the best.
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                • #9
                  I think this is what made the greatest generation, most people took pride in our country even with the depression. today I`m not so sure.
                  another example of today`s youth, the Army is lowering recruiting standards :
                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ets/750844001/
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                  • #10
                    We do a ton of work at a large NG base here in central MN, Camp Ripley. I see a ton of young guys and gals out there for training every year. Not all of today's youth are stuck on phones in their moms basement.
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