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  • F 150 sales slip,Explorer & police car issues....

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  • #2
    Poor design and slamming these vehicles together without proper testing, resulting in inferior products which are difficult to diagnose and repair due to poor diagnostic support, is the main reason I left my Ford tech career a little over a year ago.
    I know I’ve harped on this several times over the years, but something at Ford changed around 2015. Their design teams seem more focused on all the fancy doo dads, rather than longevity.
    The junk they are building today will usually work well off the line, but after a few years and usually after the initial warranty period is up, is when they start to suffer their electrical/mechanical issues. My #1 piece of advice when buying anything newer than 2014-2015 is to buy a GOOD warranty, one that has an excellent rental program.
    My girlfriends 2017 Escape, with 50k miles, has been in the shop now for 5 days getting a side object detection issue repaired. Took them 3 days just to get it in the shop....because the shop is sooo busy. They diagnosed a faulty wiring harness that is on back order. She’s been driving a 2019 Expedition loaner while we’ve been waiting on the Escape to be repaired.
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    US Navy submarine vet; Operation Iraqi Freedom vet..x 2...USAF Reserve...RETIRED, 26 total years

    Current 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1. All My Past Mustangs:'84 GT-5 spd, my first; '91 GT-auto; '70 M-code Mach 1-grabber yellow; '95 GTS-5 spd, Pro-Charged, totaled; '95 GTS 5 spd, replacement; '89 LX 5.0 'vert-5 spd; '90 LX 5.0 hatch-5 spd; '69 M-code Mach 1-4 spd; '90 5.0 LX 'vert; '03 Mach 1-5 spd, '93 Mustang LX vert.

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    • #3
      Not to mention the prices. They seem to slam most vehicles with every option in the book or have a few that are stark naked. I just don’t want to pay $55,000 for a pickup and I don’t want to buy a stripper either. When I leave a dealer lot feeling my ‘94 or’97 vehicles are better than what they’re offering me, I’d say they are in trouble.
      '70 Mach 1 - '72 Sprint - '94 F-150 XL -'97 E-150 - '18 Edge SEL AWD

      ”Mercy for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.” ~ Adam Smith

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      • #4
        It would take something truly catastrophic to strand my old tech 68 Mustang Coupe! And then, even the worst would take no more than a few hours to fix, once the materials are gathered. Yeah I know, none of the modern conveniences, but to quote the title and chorus of a song written by my dear old friend Nasty, "It Sure Beats A Walkin'!"
        Just Drivin'
        Gene
        To quote my big brother: "Gettin' Old Ain't For Sissies"
        '68 coupe/5.0/T5
        '69 F250
        '56 Chebbie 3200 P/U
        '03 Miata (wife's ride)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by horseballz View Post
          It would take something truly catastrophic to strand my old tech 68 Mustang Coupe! And then, even the worst would take no more than a few hours to fix, once the materials are gathered. Yeah I know, none of the modern conveniences, but to quote the title and chorus of a song written by my dear old friend Nasty, "It Sure Beats A Walkin'!"
          Just Drivin'
          Gene
          All the crap the manufacturers are installing on these cars today (not just Ford), the sync/bluetooth, heated/cooled seats, ambient lighting, touchscreen this and that, etc etc.
          The vehicles that are being produced today, will the parts to fix all that junk even be available in 7-10 years? I highly doubt it. For one, a lot of the junk is made in China, and made very cheaply, so even if there comes a company that can repair the electrical stuff, why would they....and I haven’t even scratched the mechanical side of it.
          When I was techin’, I would occasionally get a car to work on that was 10 years old or older where the electronic parts (lighting, HVAC, entertainment) modules were obsolete, and nobody was fixing them.
          Repairing that kind of crap on today’s cars, 10 years down the road? Forget about it! But if you think about it....that is probably the manufacturers goal. Build a vehicle that MIGHT last 10 years, then throw it away.
          M&M Member #91
          Ford Dealership Engine/Chassis Master Certified Technician
          US Navy submarine vet; Operation Iraqi Freedom vet..x 2...USAF Reserve...RETIRED, 26 total years

          Current 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1. All My Past Mustangs:'84 GT-5 spd, my first; '91 GT-auto; '70 M-code Mach 1-grabber yellow; '95 GTS-5 spd, Pro-Charged, totaled; '95 GTS 5 spd, replacement; '89 LX 5.0 'vert-5 spd; '90 LX 5.0 hatch-5 spd; '69 M-code Mach 1-4 spd; '90 5.0 LX 'vert; '03 Mach 1-5 spd, '93 Mustang LX vert.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere View Post
            Not to mention the prices. They seem to slam most vehicles with every option in the book or have a few that are stark naked.
            A buddy on another forum just ordered a new F350. He found out there are certain things that if you check the option box it triggers another WAY more expensive option that you may not even want. Basically it's "I want this $500 option but I cant get it unless I also get this $1700 option."
            Prices are out of control on all the trucks, even the Rangers. There is actually a new Ranger on the local lot that got my interested up a little so I stopped and looked at it. It's a nice truck, but not $42k nice. IT'S A RANGER!

            Rob Hetzler
            M&M member since Oct 2000, #773
            Roxboro Dragway 2011 Top ET champion

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            • #7
              Originally posted by submariner mustanger View Post
              Repairing that kind of crap on today’s cars, 10 years down the road? Forget about it! But if you think about it....that is probably the manufacturers goal. Build a vehicle that MIGHT last 10 years, then throw it away.
              Not just cars, they do that with everything now.

              Rob Hetzler
              M&M member since Oct 2000, #773
              Roxboro Dragway 2011 Top ET champion

              My Photo Page

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              • #8
                I used to be able to pick up a good body with a bad motor or transmission for a few hundred bucks, find a roll over or wreck with a good power train and make a good car out of the two. Drive it a while, sell for a profit, repeat. No more. All the electronics and computer garbage has killed that, you can’t put a 5.4 where a 4.6 was without changing a bunch of crap, it’s unreal. As much as I like my 99, when the 5.4 goes I’ll probably put a 302 or 351 in it, if I can find one.

                No way will I ever buy new again. Nowadays the down payment is more than I have paid for complete cars!

                And they are pushing this electric vehicle crap. If you think they are having problems now, just wait until they start turning this things out on the road. They might be fine in city use, but for us folks in rural areas they will never fly. We ain’t got time to sit 45 minutes or an hour to recharge the damn things, and I doubt many people have sufficient wiring in their homes for heavy duty chargers. When folks realize they can’t charge up in 10 minutes like they put in gasoline, Ford and the rest will be getting a lot of vehicles back. And when those that do charge at home see the electric bill, the crap will hit the fan!
                oh, by the way, Alabama is putting an additional $200 registration tax on electric and hybrid vehicles because they aren’t paying gas taxes! So where did all that money you saved go? You didn’t save any, you’ll end up paying more!
                ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
                -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
                -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
                " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

                "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ford84stepside View Post
                  And they are pushing this electric vehicle crap. If you think they are having problems now, just wait until they start turning this things out on the road. They might be fine in city use, but for us folks in rural areas they will never fly. We ain’t got time to sit 45 minutes or an hour to recharge the damn things, and I doubt many people have sufficient wiring in their homes for heavy duty chargers. When folks realize they can’t charge up in 10 minutes like they put in gasoline, Ford and the rest will be getting a lot of vehicles back. And when those that do charge at home see the electric bill, the crap will hit the fan!
                  oh, by the way, Alabama is putting an additional $200 registration tax on electric and hybrid vehicles because they aren’t paying gas taxes! So where did all that money you saved go? You didn’t save any, you’ll end up paying more!
                  Admittedly, I have done zero research on tax advantages or any other OVERALL savings consumers gain owning a hybrid or an electric.
                  Again, referring back to my dealership days, when I got a hybrid Focus, Fusion, or CMax to work on, it seemed that there was always something in or on that car that was common to the last one I worked on.

                  There would usually be one of those “co-exist” stickers, a pro union bumper sticker stuck on a bumper, maybe a “vote for (insert any democrat here)” sticker stuck to the rear glass...or even a high school teacher, college instructor, or government worker ID badge hanging from the rear view mirror....you know, something that identified the owner as a flaming liberal.

                  Most of us here know that liberalism, at least in its current form, is a disease, something that makes these people not think right.

                  So as far as owning a hybrid, or electric vehicle goes? I doubt it’s as much about the $$$ as it is about liberal ignorance. Gasoline is hovering around $2.10/gal here in my neck of the woods. As long as gasoline stays well below that $3-$4 a gallon range, and/or, I can keep driving my $1000 or less 30+ mpg beaters, I see absolutely no reason for hybrid/electric vehicles.
                  Yes, my girlfriend (of 10 years) drives a newer, 2017 Ford Escape (not a hybrid). That’s because I have to maintain some sort of vehicular balance at my house. I own 2 beaters, and my ‘03 Mach 1. No way I can expect her to drive a beater while I have 3 vehicles, and she was able to pay cash for it a couple of years ago after her medical settlement.
                  M&M Member #91
                  Ford Dealership Engine/Chassis Master Certified Technician
                  US Navy submarine vet; Operation Iraqi Freedom vet..x 2...USAF Reserve...RETIRED, 26 total years

                  Current 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1. All My Past Mustangs:'84 GT-5 spd, my first; '91 GT-auto; '70 M-code Mach 1-grabber yellow; '95 GTS-5 spd, Pro-Charged, totaled; '95 GTS 5 spd, replacement; '89 LX 5.0 'vert-5 spd; '90 LX 5.0 hatch-5 spd; '69 M-code Mach 1-4 spd; '90 5.0 LX 'vert; '03 Mach 1-5 spd, '93 Mustang LX vert.

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                  • #10
                    There was a magazine article a few years back on the costs of hybrids and electrics versus fossil fueled cars. To actually come out ahead and save money, you'd have to keep a hybrid or total electric something like 40 or 50 years, I forget the actual number, but it was a lot. That figure could be higher or lower now, don't know. Sort of like the folks who run out and trade cars when gas prices go up so they won't be buying as much gas, they are actually losing money while they think they are saving.

                    I guess all I own would be considered beaters. Newest is her 05 Expy with 165,xxx miles on it, oldest is 04 Ranger 4.0 V6, unknown miles, engine was replaced with one out of a wreck. The Expy is done starting to show electrical problems, right front window switch doesn't work, hatch glass unlocks for no reason, TPMS light comes and goes, drivers heated seat cuts off quicker than passenger side. All little things that don't affect driving, but aggravating anyway.

                    My wife has her Expy and FBird, I have the F150, Ranger and 47 Lincoln, but mine usually sit. All I get to drive is the Freightliner!
                    ----1999 F150 XLT Lariat Super Cab 4X4 5.4----
                    -----1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe 5.0-----
                    -----2005 Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4----
                    " Sometimes you fix the car, sometimes the car fixes you" Steve L.

                    "Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America". President Donald J. Trump

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                    • #11
                      Anytime the government has to give you a subsidy to buy something, you know it’s a turkey. Good products sell themselves.
                      '70 Mach 1 - '72 Sprint - '94 F-150 XL -'97 E-150 - '18 Edge SEL AWD

                      ”Mercy for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.” ~ Adam Smith

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere View Post
                        Anytime the government has to give you a subsidy to buy something, you know it’s a turkey. Good products sell themselves.
                        I never thought of that before, but man aint that the truth. The Rinnai water heater we had was the biggest POS we've ever owned, and we got a tax break for buying it.
                        Rob Hetzler
                        M&M member since Oct 2000, #773
                        Roxboro Dragway 2011 Top ET champion

                        My Photo Page

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by submariner mustanger View Post
                          All the crap the manufacturers are installing on these cars today (not just Ford), the sync/bluetooth, heated/cooled seats, ambient lighting, touchscreen this and that, etc etc.
                          The vehicles that are being produced today, will the parts to fix all that junk even be available in 7-10 years?
                          Case in point... I am trying to add a set of upfitter switches to my 2012 F250. The same parts were used on 2011-16 F250/350/450. Shouldn't be a problem, right? That's where my thinking went sideways. I can get the switch module, not a problem but the wiring harness and the relay panel that mounts under the dash are unobtainable. The kicker is, there is already existing wiring that goes through the firewall and is in a bundle under the dash to prevent the always fun chore of running anything through the firewall. I will probably buy the switches and an aftermarket pigtail, then build my own relay panel. Thinking about that... a 2016 is only 4 years old and a lot of those trucks are still under warranty, but you can't get the parts to fix a failure, let alone upgrade anything.
                          Rick Stevens
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